The Ineffable Motion

[Steve Holmes]

Hey thanks. If you have anything else, let me know.
Is there other footage?

[shedder]

that's the only clip i got that night. sorry, i wish i could've gotten more but i was too busy trying pick up my jaws off the ground.
i do have a pretty long drum solo clip of virgil with planet x but the audio/video quality is pretty bad and it's over 35mb. want that one?

[JosiahM]

Hey thanks for the video.. I live very close but was unable to get in.. wich sucks..

You know, i'd rather not debate the whole taping thing, but from freinds of vinnie, i've heard some rather, interesting stories about his "anger" outide fo any video taping or pictures stuff... granted, i wasn't there so i don't know... but you know what too?

Nobody is perfect. So, in the spirit of that.. it's all good, he could have been worse and thrown a drumstick at him or something.. so I'd say it's just life and maybe we might see some official stuff later on or maybe not, but we are still left with a lot of cool stuff from the vince man.

[beats]

RAD!! Thanx 4 the clip Shedder,very cool.Im glad u didnt get your ass kicked for bootlegging this little nugget [img]wink.gif[/img] .Would'ive love 2 have been there.And i still stand by my post.Thanx again for the generosity......beats

[beat Hit]

Please take me with a grain of salt...

1) Last year, I attended a Dave Weckl clinic and you know what? Right off the bat before he went on sharing his knowledge he kindly stopped someone from taping.

2) Nikk, I see what you're saying. You're quite right in speaking of this "dual" thing being inside all of us. So yeah, Vinnie does have two sides! It's in that context that I say once again that I am glad that my life is not under people's microscope like Vinnie's is. Speaking of "punk rock" side, correct me if I am wrong but isn't it that known as being "non-conformist" to society at large? So then what's wrong with Vinnie's "punk rock" side in being a "non-conformist" in his own way, as far as making videos, being taped or whatever? He HAS TO just because we say so? Just a thought... ;-) I also look forward to the day when Vinnie will release his first video.

3) Beats, interesting to read you ended with "much love and respect". I hardly saw any of that in your text. Vinnie a baby? Not sure about that, I'd say he's exercising his freedom of choice. It's America after all... I'd rather say that "maybe" it's some of us drummers behaving like babies, never having enough tapes, videos to be satisfied with? I don't think Vinnie is our slave either... Bill Bruford once wrote in MD a few years back that in his days, none of that stuff was available and has not suffered because of it. On the contrary he developped his own voice!! He remains one of the most original drummers around!! Too many Vinnie videos would maybe result in.... Too many Vinnie clones?? Just a thought... That "punk rocker" side of yours hates that "punk rocker" side of Vinnie? Interesting... Peace to ya!!!

Respectfully yours,

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ January 22, 2003 01:08 AM: Message edited by: beat Hit ]</font>

[beats]

Cool pics Shedder,thx! I'm with Nikk&Derek on this one.There was a similar topic last year about this.I posted that Vinnie SHOULD just make the definitive instructional vid/dvd.Ironically enuff,Tony Williams was outlining a very extensive(it was to span 3 videos!)instructional vid,just b4 he passed on.Vinnie's recent quotes about God/Christianity(yeesh),led me 2 believe that maybe hes lightened up,guess i was wrong.While he does have every right 2 be bothered,he very nearly(by some accounts here)put the music at risk by being unreasonably distracted by the videographer.Distraction 4 me is if i spy someone gettin ready to launch a glass ashtray onto the stage(which actually happened to me),not someone sourcing out educational material via video.Honestly, i dont give a shit if these guys are highly respected,which means they are highly paid.I want to be educated,and Vinnie is the greatest living drummer out there,i want 2 learn from the best,in any given opportunity.If my students want to video me at a reasonable rate of $5.00-$9.00 @ a show im performing,additionally with the weekly one on one lessons,then good one on them,its a drum lesson in itself to view drummers live for many many various reasons.As a plus it would only help boost my profile.In recent times,ive been immensly impressed by some of the Vinnie interviews ive read.He's become very articulate and descriptive with his words,he has a confidence of a true master at the top of his game,why not translate that into a formal instructional vid?In the true scheme of things WE ARE Vinnie's boss,without our support and enthusiasm for his otherworldy skills,he would be dodging glass ashtrays in some smoky club in buttfuck nowhere.So Vince,STFU!!!I love yer talent,love yer perspective,love many things that u do.Take yer Chri$tian a$$ over to Hud$on video,find a trusted producer and director,and cut out the middle man to make a stand-alone instructional vid.U will make money,and pass along a masters take on this wonderful instrument that has provided you a meal ticket and a voice in the vast musical landscape.Hey if u were really smart u could collect ALL the bootlegged clinics/concerts,package them along with yer cool instructional video,and make even more money,and gain my respect(not that i dont respect his talents,just disgusted by his babyness about bein videoed),and lead the future of drumming.Sorry bout the rant,the punk rocker in me simply cannot tolerate such insolence from a guy who puports himself to be thoughtful(yeah yeah,"..well the bootlegger was insolent at not complying to Vinnie's wishes to not being videoed....blah blah blah..." of his talents........lol....wateva......ill still support the vinnie.....much love and respect ....beats

[shedder]

canon s230. the room wasn't nearly as bright as it made it out to be. the lighting in the video clip is more accurate since i wasn't using the flash.

[JosiahM]

Just curious but what did anyone find so impressive from that clip?

Not to put vinnie down, or say he doesn't have some chops.. but as far as that video goes.. eh, I don't see/hear anything incredibly impressive going on.. not to be a stuck booty, but i can comp stuff like that all day, me and and at least 5 other guys i know..

[PocketPlayer]

I'm going to let this one die out, but I do have a question;

How significant is a video as far as having "Vinnie-clones" when you can purchase just about everything the guy has recorded?

Think about it, he lays it out every time he goes into the studio. You want to clone Vinne...go for it! I think the name Steve Gadd says it all as for cats grabbing the goods off LP's.

With all the info out today, there is NO excuse for the serious player to not have his stuff down...it's information overload today.

Hey Shredder, what type of camera did you use? I was at Planet X's last gig in CA and all my shots were underexposed. I know you used a digital camera, but I used 800mm film in similar lighting. Your shots were clear and well lit.

[shedder]

you had to be there. i'm 110% sure no one in the world could've done what vinnie did that night. he's not human. i totally agree with pocket in his first post. vinnie is by far the best drummer in the world and to me the best drummer who ever lived. i don't think God will ever again create someone who has as much innate sense of time as vinnie. the way he manipulates the time with weird phrasings and stickings in any time signature, it's just awe-inspiring. unbelievable. i wish every drummer could see him play live at least once.